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Indy’d Indeed: A New Age? Hardcore? Straightedge?
Hello all, and welcome to another exciting edition of Indy’d Indeed (Indeed, Indeed!).
I continue to be your host, Mr. Indianapolis. You can call me Mr. Indy. I know I’ve kept you waiting a bit longer than usual, but I will not disappoint. It was 4th of July weekend in the USA, after all, and I had some personal issues to deal with as well. So you’re getting a double issue this week to make up for it. It’s long. No doubt. Good luck reading.
Moving along, last week I talked about three different brands for the first and likely last time; WWE, TNA, WSX. I think it’s safe to say the TNA thing is behind us, and I hope you all managed to catch a little WSX action. From what I heard, the reviews were all positive. I even got at least one person come to me and say “OMG, this is ECW”. Darned tootin’! As far as the WWE is concerned, I got to run a little speculation on the draft. Yep, it’s been that long. You haven’t seen an Indy’d Indeed since before the draft. If you were wondering exactly what was missing in your life lately, that was it.
Post-Draft and Night of Champions
Hmm, as far as World titles are concerned, I was on the right track. What with getting the World Heavyweight Championship on CM Punk after being retained by Edge at NoC to give RAW a world belt again. This could have waited, really. RAW didn’t need a champ right away did they? It woulda been awesome to have the IC title be the only major title for a month or so. Anyway, my only incorrect assumption was that I said it would happen at the wedding. The wedding that has since been cancelled. This brings 2 things to mind:
1.) Why is Cena apart from his custom belt? I mean let’s face it. It’s one thing that Cena didn’t have his personal belt while he was on injury. It became a bit more of an issue when he came back and never got it back. But now he isn’t even on the same brand? Does this mean we can expect to see a new belt design? Doesn’t seem so... does this mean Cena gets to stay away from the belt for a year or so? Wow. Wouldn’t that be amazing?
2.) Why was there even a wedding date? I really don’t get this. I mean, we set a date... then cancelled it the week before. This screams sloppy work by the writers. It almost looks like they forgot it was there, then needed a quick way to cancel it. I theorize the original plan was to see an Undertaker return at the wedding that would serve the same purpose as Batista’s run-in, with Punk cashing in. But this was a rumor from the moment the date was set, and the WWE does like to find these rumors and find some way to disprove them. Take for instance, Orton/HHH/Cena at WM24. Case closed.
For starters, I have both wonderful and horrible things to say about RAW right now. On the negative end, RAW now has Cena, Batista, Rey-Rey, Orton, CM Punk, HBK, Y2J, and Kane representing the star power. Worse than that is the fact that all of those guys are “potential” main eventers that can be thrown into that slot whenever Vince pleases. All the “established star” power got shifted to RAW except Trips, J. Hardy, and The (currently unaccounted for) Undertaker. And maybe you can add Big Show to that list too.
However, on the immensely positive end, following the “Championship switch-a-roo pay-per-view”, despite all the star power, the flagship brand has champions in Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase Jr., Kofi Kingston, and CM Punk. When was the last time you saw such a star-studded raw roster? Kidding, of course. But hey, this is what we’ve been waiting for. The champs are not overly musclebound guys. The champs are not decaying stars desperately trying to hold onto their fame. And they’re all 1-time champions... unless you count Cody Rhodes not dropping his belt to start another reign as 2 times. Whatever. Anyway...
Chapter 1: A New Age? We’ve got a revolution starting for the WWE, and apparently it’s up to us to see if it stays that way. Apparently, Vince wants to see if Punk will make him money. No money = no gold. And by all reports, Batista is up to challenge for Punk’s belt. Batista got the #1 contender spot for GAB. Batista is booked against Punk in house shows. Batista is set for a heel turn. Etcetera... etcetera... etcetera... Batista is, of course, Vince’s musclebound guy, and he has been kept from “his” World Heavyweight Championship essentially since WM23 when he lost to The Undertaker. Yeah, he got it back, but only as a transitional champion to get it off Khali and back to Edge for WM24’s main event.
And for the record, in case anyone hadn’t been paying attention, Edge is a 5-time World Champion. Count it up: sniped from Cena, ripped from RVD, sniped from Undertaker, tricked away from Batista, and banning the Undertaker. For the record, Edge has already passed Batista and Cena in title reigns (who each have three reigns to their name). And while he is nowhere near passing Triple H’s 12 world reigns, he has already passed Shawn Michaels’ 4 reigns, and is closing in on Undertaker’s 6 reigns.
... how on earth did Edge slip under the radar with this? He’s got more belt grabs than most of the top guys in the business. And yet, he doesn’t seem like a credible main-eventer anymore without Vickie’s GM-ship helping him along. For all things good and holy, I hope he can beat Trips at GAB now that he and Vickie appear to have turned against eachother.
But Edge started it all with Money in the Bank. And ironically, he continued it on another brand with a different Money in the Bank. CM Punk is the latest MITB holder to cash in on a belt. Could Punk rack ‘em up like Edge?
Well, Money in the Bank has not always brought success. In fact, Punk has an alter-ego who got himself an MITB briefcase, and corresponding title run. A title run that was cut short by his own actions.
Yes my friends. This is the long awaited RVD Article. Just don’t be too disappointed when I go off on a tangent.
Chapter 2: Rob! Van! Dam! I personally think RVD is one of the greatest to step into WWE’s stylized ring. Many wrestlers find themselves crimped by WWE’s style, but RVD was still able to impress. Quite frankly, I think it’s a pity Rob wasn’t able to teach Punk how to compensate for the WWE’s comparatively lackluster environment. To anyone who watched either man before WWE, you’re watching a completely different person in that ring. And it isn’t ring rust that’s bogging them down, it’s WWE.
World Wrestling Entertainment essentially requires their wrestlers to tone down for their environment. And frankly, I’m grateful for it. Why? I’m glad you asked.
WWE wrestlers worked an unreal schedule. It’s worse than TNA, and far beyond that of most promotions. WSX, for instance, only did a handful of shows at a handful of tapings. Thus, they could do the crazy hardcore wrestling. The WWE workers on the other hand, can do up to 3 tapings a week (on PPV weeks, considering ECW/SD! tape together), as well as any additional house shows or supershows.
Unfortunately, Rob Van Dam fell victim to his own demons. While it’s been no secret for a long time that RVD has used recreational drugs, he finally got himself caught during the most inopportune of times in the history of pro-wrestling itself.
RVD won the second ever Money in the Bank briefcase, good for a title shot at whatever time he so desired. He then used this briefcase to throw his weight around in Intercontinental championship matches before announcing to Cena (the WWE champ at the time) that he would be cashing in at One Night Stand in an Extreme Rules match. RVD went on to win the match in a controversial standing becoming a 1-time WWE Champion (and being only the second person to ever dethrone Cena during his monster-push title reigns). In addition to acquiring the WWE Championship, he was also awarded the ECW Championship on WWE’s ECW revival by Paul Heyman. RVD was the face of the WWE, and he was set to carry the new ECW brand.
Then he got arrested.
Then he got suspended.
Then he got buried.
When RVD was finally allowed in the ring again, he was the leader of the Old Breed against the New Breed. The New Breed was destined to win. The Old Breed was not only beginning to be on bad terms with their new employer, but due to their age and deteriorated bodies, they couldn’t keep up a consistent work schedule. The exception was RVD, who the WWE recognized the drawing power of. But not even a pity win at WM23 could persuade RVD to stay with the company, especially after his wife was diagnosed with cancer. RVD finished his time with the company helping fuel Orton for his eventual title run. At the moment, he is helping to care for his wife and taking time off out of the ring, though he has stated that a return to the WWE, or a move to TNA are both definite possibilities in the future.
Chapter 3: The Drug Issue. The Wellness Policy. The Law. Rob Van Dam was the most unfortunate victim to be caught for a violation of a drug nature to date, ignoring those that eventually lost their lives. I won’t go into a rant about how medicinal marijuana should be legalized (especially since our boy was caught with more and worse than that), but let’s face it, RVD and Sabu (the other guy caught in the fiasco, also on a push, albeit a lesser one) have got to be in pain. You can’t do what those guys did day after day and not feel anything afterwards. Thus, many wrestlers find themselves on some form of pain medication.
I refer to Kurt Angle for this one, who was actually in trouble for how many pain meds he was taking and still wrestling with. This ultimately led to his release, as the WWE did not desire to work him to death, and they knew he would.
Well, RVD, staying true to the ECW name, did not take your normal pain medications. He relied on drugs that would give him a high, such as marijuana, which is not legal in the USA, (not even medicinally I don’t believe), though in other countries, marijuana is used as a pain killer in the most extreme of cases. Almost like a laughing gas of sorts, to get someones mind off the pain or irritation of a persisting injury, wound, or disease. The way the United States media portrayed RVD, it was as if he was high and in possession because he was a drug addict. And yeah, he might be, but did they think why? Maybe we should teach some people in the news how to do a Rolling Thunder senton six times a week. In fact, throw in the 5-star frog splash, split-legged moonsault, and 450° splash (in AJPW). Ouch much?
But what doctor in their right mind is going to prescribe persistent pain killers to athletes that just have normal nagging injuries that can only be healed by time off? Well... there was Phil Astin I guess. More famous for steroid prescriptions, and other illegal prescriptions, but I’m sure if you were in the WWE and asked, pain killers could have been added to your dosage list. But we all know what happened to Phil Astin. And it wasn’t pretty. The authorities ripped him up and down.
Chapter 4: The Need for Change? I’m not going to justify that RVD breaking the law was right. I’ll question just how wrong it was, but I certainly won’t say it was right. Rather, I think the WWE needs to actually take a pro-active response to their wrestlers needs.
The Undertaker has the sweetest deal in the whole business. The guy gets a formulaic push come Wrestlemania, and, after the fallout of such, takes time off, then returns with a bang by Survivor Series. All this for him to take time off and recover after his big push. He tried to defy his original plans after he was promised a lengthy title reign after WM23, but his own body forced him to take the time off.
The WWE set an awesome deal with the Undertaker. Now obviously, younger stars need not take so much time off yearly. Maybe they do if they wrestle in a high-flying manner, such as Jeff Hardy, Rey-Rey, Londrick (oh wait, they broke up... make it Kendrick and London now), Super Crazy, etc. But Cena is a good model to follow. The young former WWE champ kept up a main event schedule for the better part of 2-3 years before he found himself sidelined with an injury.
But if there’s one thing that ticked me off, it’s that Batista is still wrestling. No no, not that way. It’s just that Batista asked time off earlier in the year and didn’t get it. What did he get? He got to fill the Undertaker’s top face spot in the feud against Edge. Then Batista got bumped to RAW. I don’t know if Dave still wants the time off, but unless he gets it after The Great American Bash (and I don’t see why he would), he probably won’t be getting it. In fact, he might find himself with a championship around his waist.
What the hell. How many big names are on RAW at the moment? Why can’t Batista have his time off? Does he need to tear a pectoral muscle and be forced to the sidelines before you give him time off?
How many people request time off? No no, I’m serious. Orton asked for time off too. Now he finds himself with a broken clavicle after a botched spot involving Trips pushing him out of the ring to counter an RKO.
Chapter 5: Blame yourself for this one Vince!! The Wellness Policy basically catches wrestlers on one of two kinds of drugs:
1.) Steroids, Growth Enhancers, Testosterone I blame Vince for this. Really, it’s an industry problem, but the WWE sets the standard, and thus, I blame Vince for this. Vince likes his musclebound World Champions. And why not? They’re believable. Especially if they have an ounce of technical skill in their body. Hulk Hogan is the man who really set this trend. The Superman beating The Giant is the biggest mainstay image in people’s mind after Hogan vs. Andre. So, since most guys can’t compete with this physique, they try to take a shortcut. If you’re an aspiring wrestler, don’t do it. Just don’t, it isn’t worth it. Rely on your talent. Be CM Punk, don’t be Chris ‘The Masterpiece’ Masters. If that isn’t enough to persuade you to have a natural physique, I don’t know what is.
2.) Painkillers, or any “recreational” drugs. I put these in the same category because they are. Recreational drugs are used as an “escape mechanism”. And just what do you think these guys are escaping from? Was RVD escaping the high point of his life? No... he was escaping the pain his body was in. And by now, it’s an addiction. He probably needs it whether he has the pain or not. But Vince is responsible for this one too, as I explained above. He doesn’t give his boys time off to heal. Especially if they reach the top. Give everyone at least a month or two yearly. We’ve seen how easy this is (and how quickly the time goes by) during first-time suspensions.
Chapter 6: Fine. What can we do to help? Nothing really. This is something the industry needs to change. And short of making petitions or protests, and celebrating or buying merchandise of those that make a new standard (such as CM Punk, Kofi, Matt Hardy, MVP, Kennedy, or Edge, all of whom have found recent success in the title scenes) to show that we’re ready to move on from the Cena/Batista/Triple H/Hogan appearance.
Oh, and don’t be afraid to watch promotions that almost deny the “musclebound freak”. TNA is a good start, I guess... though with Scott Steiner... um... let’s just say I’m pushing WSX again.
Also, don’t be afraid to let someone go because of the Wellness Policy. It’s going to happen, and I suspect it will happen to someone big at some point in the next year or so. I really hope not, but the Wellness Policy has claimed so many of our favorites already, and some people, such as Jeff Hardy, are on their last strike. If Hardy hits that mark, we need to let him go so he can deal with his demons. I personally think the WWE will do everything in their power to make sure it doesn’t come to that... except the right thing. Hey, maybe I’m selling Vince short. What do I know?
But anyway... I guess I covered quite a bit of ground this week. I only hope that the new age is truly coming, and that we’re not just being given a taste because “anything can happen”. I won’t keep you any longer. And who knows what I’ll talk about next week. Only time can tell!
This is still the Indy’d Indeed, and I’m still Mr. Indy. And I guess this means I can finally stop teasing you about RVD, right?
Until next week... :) Views: 1,294 
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Comment # 1
great article as always indy and wsx was incredible
Posted by breakout on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 2
AWESOME as ALWAYS. Nice work Indy. I enjoy looking forward to what you have to say every week. Keep it up and keep me informed.
Posted by Hida Kozan on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 3
I agree Batista needs time off, i dont want to see him get hurt again, i dont want to say this, but give cena a title shot and give batista time off
Posted by Zephon on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 4
Great article and yes Batista needs to get his time off-.-
Posted by Kain/Shogun on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 5
im still reading indy i love your articles but i just had to say that MEDICINAL marijuana IS legal in us of a but you have to have illness's like cancers, low bone marrow count etc etc. weed should be an exception to the rule for after matches! it really does heal the pain. great article indy you should write a book, i do hope this isnt the only time that you get your thinking cap on.
Posted by azuzu rules on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 6
It's not crack! It's not coke! It just helps the pain! It's just dope.
Think about it. How many people have died from drinking and smoking (both of which are legal) then compare to marijuana deaths. Thousands upon thousands have died from drinking and smoking. NONE have died from marijuana use.
RVD did nothing wrong. He didnt put his life in risk, he was just using a relaxant.
LEGALISE IT, BITCH!
Posted by X2X on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 7
Great article. RVD payed the price when it comes to dealing with recreational drugs and etc. Now that we have smaller guys on the main title scene, Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, Edge, Kofi Kingston, and other smaller guys. Some say they are on steriods too, but they just hit the gym often. My gym teacher said to me that Vince had to be on steroids if hegot that big a year ago or two. Hopefully WWE will get their health awareness thing straightened out and superstars healthy.
Posted by Rowdy D on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 8
Dude I respect your opinions and everything and I'm gald you get to wright these articles, but I think you need to do a bit more of your homework. RVD's wife wasn't diagnosed with cancer until well after he left WWE. He even said he left 'cause he was burnt out. Aside from that use some common sense in the drug thing. RVD was not using it as a pain killer I mean come on. RVD is a known advocate of recreational drugs, or loser for short. Recreational being the key word there. He does it for the high. I'm not saying he's a dope fiend, but he is a stoner. Oh, and for all those in above comments who say that pot heals your pain. No it doesn't, your just high so you think it does. It let's you not feel pain. That's what mind altering substances do.
Posted by The White Ranger. on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 9
To elaborate further on White Ranger's comments about pot,it not only makes you think that the pain is gone, but it actually intensifies the pain when the high is over. It causes for people who took it to deal with pain, just to be in more pain than before.
Posted by Mr. Killjoy on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 10
great article, this time im a 100% with you, wwe needs to stop giving the pushes only to huge steroids guys, the most important if that a wrestler got wrestling skills and a good mic performance, thats all
Posted by manuel taker on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 11
Applause, Indy.
Posted by The Thantos on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 12
ok, fantastic article indy damn do you know how to keep my eyes glued to the screen. you should be a wwe scriptwriter atleast it would all make sense. or if not please just write every other article. now as for this gunja issue, azuzu i like your style son i really do im not gonna have a go cause nearly all times i agree with what you say. the newbies might not know you so what im trying to say to the others is: from what i can tell of azuzu he stells it like it is. harsh, cool, wrong, right HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS. i think you rock azuzu no matter what you say it i respect it! but also i do agree with that whole gunja issue. as i know quite a bit of history on gunja as i do studies on it. EINSTIENS THE MAN!!!! do you know much about him azuzu? so indy brilliant article and azuzu fantastic comment
Posted by smithy on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 13
Weed does numb the pain temporarily, but doesn't kill it........thats all.
Posted by M on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 14
I hate batista i hate cena i hate edge HHH gonna win HHH stays champ he best in WWE
Posted by Hellscraper on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 15
boo egde and vickie getting bak together this smackdown
Posted by Hellscraper on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 16
I thought you said you are going to talk about RVD next week but you just talked about him
Posted by Inversion on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 17
*waiting for a jane ross comment
Posted by hmmm on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 18
"I personally think RVD is one of the greatest to step into WWE’s stylized ring."
Wow.. just wow. RVD is very flexible, has durable body and can do effortlessly some impressive high spots. On the other hand he has weak grasp of wrestling psychology, only move he sells is his own damn finisher, his striking is weak-looking, has no intensity and phones in his matches unless heavily pushed.
I guess is you prefer high-flying over hold based wrestling, RVD can be seen as one of the greats. Even then I wouldn't elevate RVD into same echelon as Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Marufuji etc. that can perform high spots and still have a match that makes sense.
Oh, and more information required of "ELBERT EINSTIEN" "FOUNDING ELECTRICITY".
Posted by The Alistaja on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 19
i think its thomas edison alistaja who was one of the founders of electricity or did he make the light globe?, einstein wrote the theory of relativity. thank you smithy thank you kansky and a BIG THANK YOU TO ME :D
Posted by azuzu on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 20
A great article, I just loved to read it. You truly are a great articolist, and I could only dream of writing so clearly. Most of your views I agree on, although in my opinion, you're a bit too much focused on blaming Vince.
Especially in the recreational drugs section (steroids they might have set the standards, but with recreational drugs, you suffer a bit from tunnel sight, IMO). You seem to miss a few people to point the finger to. Why not blame Paul Heyman, who made his superstars do crazy things, same with TNA or WSX you mention. Vince lets them work a lot, that's definitely true, but he doesn't expect too much mind dazzling maneuvers either. The worst you could face is a ladder match, which seems to be the most dangerous match in real life to me. Personally, if I was a wrestler, and TNA and WWE would be equally famous and well paying at this moment, I still think I'd prefer WWE. Sure, I'd have to be on the road more, yet, I wouldn't have to do a meaningless Ultimate X matches that take years of my career just because there was a spot on the PPV card left.
Another person to blame on that matter are we. Yes, the audience itself. We no longer wanna see a pure wrestling match, no it has to be filled with spots that make us go crazy, because well, the spots themselves are crazy. John Cena is one of those people who you could work with night after night without getting injuries if something goes wrong. His matches are basic, they usually don't require me to be dropped right on my neck, his finisher won't botch that easily. Yet, when I'm in a match with John Cena, and I perform normal wrestling moves, there's a big chance the crowd will start yelling "boring boring" because they just saw someone jump off a ladder onto the Announce Table. Let's face it, we don't really want a basic style anymore, everything has to be more extreme. I hear a lot of "every match on ECW should once again be Extreme Rules" (probably preferring them to bleed on a weekly base) on almost every wrestling forum. Yet, if those superstars have to put their body through hardcore matches week after week, we would be more entertained maybe, but THEN you would get a lot of drug use to take away the pain they put themselves through. Also, people seem to love "shoot wrestling" and "stiff wrestling" lately, in which everything is scripted, but they still hurt each other for real. I don't know why anyone would encourage this, because it's still unreal, yet, the superstars suffer a lot more. And do you really enjoy a match more if they punch each other on the face, rather than faking a punch? I think the more and more demanding audience is something that shouldn't be forgotten when you're pointing blame in superstars being more and more hurt and taking more and more pain killers. But of course, nobody likes to believe they're part of a problem, it's always Vince. Plus, don't forget, Vince is the only one offering help to superstars who are in drugs, with his offer to take rehab on his expense.
And about Edge surpassing Michaels and Undertaker. Those two had their prime (when it comes down to titles) in an environment where you had longer title reigns in general. I would not say Edge is better than them, because that's not my opinion, but he's not undeserving either. And Jeff Hardy was punished rather hard too for his Wellness Policy offense. RVD was gonna leave anyway IMO, but Jeff could have been World Champion now hadn't he been caught.
Posted by El Valo on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 21
*embarassed because his comment took so much space.
+ lol pot99 is my verification code now <_<
Posted by El Valo on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 22
Great work Indy,
and nice reply El Valo
Posted by Der Schengst on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 23
Cena getting a belt u suck big time and Cena can't really wrestle u John Cena lover.
Posted by Indy SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 24
Nice article as usual Indy...
and your forgiven for not writing earlier =p
Posted by Mr Pain on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 25
Yeah I do think Vince can be an idiot, thinking that wrestlers don't need their own little off season. I know they do, but that doesn't mean it has to be at the same time. I like your idea about giving them a month off every year (maybe 2 for the older guys) and have them be fine throughout their career. I would love to see Vince do this as when it comes for them to retire they can go all out in their final storyline and truly give us something to remember them by. Think about that... being healthy until you're 45, maybe even 50, and then risking injuries in your final pay per view match, cause once you're retired the injuries don't matter too much now do they?? I'm not saying getting injured would be the best thing for your body, but at least you could risk it more and more as you get to the end of your career this way.
Posted by The Ripper on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 26
i disagree with the first part of the article but the rest is true... batista needs time off
Posted by the mysterious one on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 27
Great article Indy, gives one alot of food for thought.
I agree that Pro Athletes as a whole need to have more time off from there demanding schedules but alas while there are those making money out of them and an abundance of young hopefulls waiting in the wings to pick up where the older guys left off we may not see it :(
On recreational drugs, they are illegal, simple fact not my opinion, guess, belief or attempt to look 'knowledgable'. So, like anything illegal, you get caught you suffer the consequences. Like Indy, I think RVD being let go because of a little weed habit sucks but hey thats the law.
When I was a teenager and in my early 20's I was a bass player in a metal band and I used alot of recreational drugs and alcohol. I particularly enjoyed mixing drinking binges with speed and S4 painkillers. I know I know that is just frigging stupid right? Before I became sober I used to laspe into psychotic episodes thinking I was Satan and asking people to join my clan ...(whatever clan that was lol). Now show of virtual hands how many think that this sounds 'cool'? I once broke a poor lads nose bone in 7 places causing him to have reconstructive surgery on his nose simply because he refused to join my so called clan.
Morale of the story is don't do drugs, they are not cool, they may take reality away for a while but often when you return to reality things are evem worse then before. Take the advice of the Verve, the drugs don't work, they just make things worse. For all you guys thinking you are cool with your capitalised letters and virtual threats to people that are talking common sense, get a life you morons, you are not cool and you sicken me with your behavior.
Anyways looking forward to Indy's next installment.
Peace.
Posted by Yuri on Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Comment # 28
I agree about the point on alchohol being tons worse, it is, it should be illegal way before lots of other drugs are illegal. However they sort out legalities, whether it be in a legalising or a prohibiting way, they should be consistent with it, based on harm levels, not revenue. They aren't. Also sorry I didn't even say anything before about the article, it was a great article, I just got caught up in all the agression in that reply a while ago. On that point though, let me let you in on something: not being a drug user doesn't make you thick, and it doesn't make you boring. Doesn't make you preachy either - that's just part of my personality. :) If I can't very well talk about doing various kinds of drugs because I haven't been through it, then you can't very well talk about leading a sober life because YOU haven't been through it. Same criteria in reverse. I've got my dark side, I'm very creative too. If you don't want to apply one typecast for people like you, then don't go applying another for people not like you. Good to have an open mind about things.
Posted by Jane Ross on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 29
Come on, no fighting, Yuri, forget this guy, I bet he's like 2 years old, I mean, not being able to read a little like this is just sad and makes you look like a three-year-old, anyways back on track, GREAT article as always Mr.INDY!!!
I will keep reading them until I die! =)
Posted by Maxymum on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 30
nice job mat8 :D
Posted by RUCE on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 31
to comment 32 and 36 who are probably the same person
let me say this slowly so your pathetic retarded 1 month old mind can understand.
you don't understand because 1, you have a brain the size of an ant 2, you can't read and 3 your miniscule mind capacity prevents you from understanding big words
i bet your a blonde anglo (no offense meant to smarter ones)
Posted by DF on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 32
well koj said it perfectly, thank you for putting the trurh about weed, i would do it but i just cant be arsed spending that much time to reply to something just to prove a point. now yuri you might call it crazy with the whole satanic thing where truth is you were actually onto something, dabbeling with your darkest desires with an infatuation towards the dark side, which i understand completely you might call it crazy i call it just another option where life can take you. yuri you should of stuck to it, you would of been successful musically you would of still had an open mind now it seems biased which i believe what most sober people are biased they just arnt so pushy with their message. all in all i choose the dark side! but yuri you were onto something that nsomething im on now. good or evil right or wrong yet everyone still wants to be someone
Posted by azuzu on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 33
wasnt edge arleady champ b4 beating taker and retiring him
Posted by Hellscraper on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 34
Can't believe I am replying for the third time here to this post, perhaps I do need to get a life! LOL!
But azuzu I really dug your reply to me man, I apologise for the moron comment as it appears you are not in fact one. You must admit the first post of yours would confuse someone into believing you were one though :P Anyways I appreciate what you are saying about the episodes etc, all the greats we now call genius's walked a fine line between genius and madman / woman. Having said that I must confess bro I was a dime a dozen Bass Player in a dime a dozen band :( crap like what we were playing was being played in every dive in the country in the early 90's lol
But yeah everybody wants to be somebody and I guess I was thinking as I was typing it wasa good chance to be a good somebody :)
Peace
Posted by Yuri on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 35
Excellent article, man. You should be writing for the NY Times. Although I don't agree with half of what you say :), you still write great, and I wait for your articles to come out each week.
My verification is Frog2. Pretty weird considering half the article was about RVD.
Posted by Bo on Friday, July 11, 2008
Comment # 36
Always with the Drama
Posted by Curtis Kash on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 37
great article but please could u use a bigger font coz my eyes started to hurt lol
Posted by james feather on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 38
Actually Koj, you are half right, half wrong. Pain is infact, as you stated it, but that's only half of the story. Pain is always there, but it's more of the mind over matter aspect. The less you think about it, the less it hurts.
Now, you will say, well I've taken my whole mind off my pain, yet it still hurts. How does that work? It is because your mind is always subcoinsiously thinking about the pain, wether or not your train of thought is actually that.
Weed actually doesn't help kill the pain, what it actually does is it lifts your mood. That is where the term of being high is implyed. If you have ever walked around, or been around someone completely baked, they are always smiling. And not any smile, I mean a ear to ear grin.
When you are high, your subcoinsious mind, yes the one that is focused on the pain, focuses randomly on different things, but it is mostly thinking about you being happy. That is why weed actually does help to take away the pain, while you are high, of course. I know from experience, so don't even try and say otherwise.
Posted by Kansuke on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 39
Well, I think the wirters came up with a different way to get Undertaker back in the scene with Kane's crazy rampage asking if he was "Dead or Alive". Does that not scream Undertaker's coming back at the bash ro something?
Posted by Bolar on Thursday, July 10, 2008
Comment # 40
Kansuke, well written counterpoint. I like it. Can't really disagree with what you said. However, studies do disagree with weed being able to significantly give you enough of a high to ignore or simply be distracted enough from acute pain. Chronic pain, however, is a different matter, but as I said before, chronic pain can be dealt with...not easily, but weed isn't really an option that clinicians would use as a 1st, 2nd,..., or last choice.
Nevertheless, I do get your point. :D
Posted by Koj Tije Dedo on Friday, July 11, 2008
Comment # 41
To all you people talking about recreatioal drugs.
The one thing that really annoys me is people making assumptions or believing everything they read. Fine beleive what test reports says but it dodn't mean they are correct. Try explaining what sex or alcohol is like to someone who's never tried it.
I have smoked dope and did for a lot of years until i packed up. Okay it dosn't tke the pain away but it does dull your senses tothe pain and make you feel more relaxed. In this way I myself find it easier to cope with my own personal injuries as I could do more as I wasn't in constant pain and could then cope until my injuries did heal. Also if it has no medicinal properties why do so many ME suuferies say eexactly the same that it helps them to cope. now the bad side I stopped smoking 2-3 years ao when my sons where born. I had started smoking to get high previous to this. Know this made Me tired and irratable. I was getting that wasted that altough I would sleep I would not hit proper rem sleep so I could have 11-12 hours of sleep and still feel tired. Or I would get that wasted that I would be up ta say 6-7 am before getting up at 9am to goto work or example. Also after 5-6 years I would get up and start coughing constantly and bring yellow flem. Now I know what your thinking well smoking cigerettes can have the same affect. But since then no matter how many cigerettes I smoke even when i have had 30-40 in a night have I got feeling how I felt after 7-8 Joints in a night.Now bear in mind what I said earlier this is just my expeiences drugs affect us all in diffrent ways. Where dope chilled me out one guy I knew it made him horney. Same as medicinal drugs certain drugs e.g co-codomol I only have to take 1 and I'm asleep where as my wife can take as many as she wants and feel fine. These so called tests don't prove anything as they are one persons interpretaion and unless you have tried it you can't give a proper interpretation. Mps are saying how dangerous cannibis is and it always leads to harder drugs. But i never had any intention of taken harder drugs and never have. Which is again stating facts they don't know.As I said earlier these are my experinces and understand other people may have had diffrent ones, but at least I have more insight then just reading facts and figures from a book.
Posted by Thraxas on Friday, July 11, 2008
Comment # 42
I'm going to go ahead and throw in my opinion about 'recreational drugs' (IE: Marijuana).
Marijuana is legal medicinally in only a few USA states, and still, even then, the DEA confiscates marijuana and legal documents from these legal businesses because it's still perceived as 'wrong' by federal law.
There are many types of marijuana that have been manufactured, either by the government or by college studies around the world. Most of these types of marijuana are usually genetically altered to perform a specific function during the High. While most of us have had the 'I lost my keys in my couch' or 'Pass the Cheetos' marijuana, there are others that are designed to help people do these specific functions: sleep better, lose weight, help deal with pain, help eyesight functionality, and many other target specific reactions.
Does marijuana effect everyone the same? No. But I just ate a handful of peanuts, and I know a good handful of people who couldn't do that without swelling up like a balloon.
If you want to know more, educate yourself by reading or watching a documentary. Super High Me was a very funny and very educational movie for anyone to see the true effects of marijuana.
In Summation: Wonderful article, Mr Indy. Good Write, Good Fight, Good Night.
Posted by Imurego on Saturday, July 12, 2008
Comment # 43
Oh. My. Sweet. Atheism.
The best article I've EVER read. Seriously Indy, keep up the good work!
Rock on!
Posted by The Breaker on Saturday, July 12, 2008
Comment # 44
Koj Tije Dedo,are you a doctor?Really Ihate cena but i don't know why.Anyway I hate Randy n' Edge.So I basically don't like enemies.Oh well bye.
Posted by CEna is listo on Thursday, July 17, 2008
Comment # 45
great indy keep going
Posted by Shawn Ceena on Thursday, July 17, 2008
Comment # 46
Good one Indy
Posted by Bahamanbull on Saturday, July 19, 2008
Comment # 47
yes 50th hit the half century
Posted by Hellscraper on Friday, July 25, 2008
